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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-15-03, 11:47 PM (ET)

Bush crime family quiz! Who knows the answers to these:

LAST EDITED ON May-16-03 AT 00:45 AM (ET)
1) What are the names of the children of Samuel Bush, father of Senator Prescott Bush, poppy Bush's father?
2) How is the other Prescott Bush related, and what did he do that got them to quietly remove his name from Internet genealogy sites?
3) Who is Jonathan Bush? What crime was he involved with, and what was his punishment?
4) Who is Bucky Bush, and what shady business deal did he have with Jeb?
5) Who is Nancy Bush, and what position did her son hold on election night 2000? What did he do while holding this position?
6) What business dealings did Jeb Bush have with the Bosch family? For what crime did one Bush ask another Bush to pardon a Bosch?
7) Easy question of the day: Who is Neil Bush, and what business scandal was he involved in?
8) What are the most interesting business dealings of Marvin Bush?
9) How many successive generations have faced criminal proceedings, for each of these families:
a. Corleone family
b. Bush family
c. The James Gang
Enjoy.
Bev Harris
ProTalion - Progressive Communications
http://www.talion.com/protalion.html
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phaseolus (1123 posts)
May-15-03, 11:56 PM (ET)

1. Ooooo!!!

Can't wait for the answers, I don't know most of these.
2a. Is this George H.W. Bush's brother, the chief of the U.S.-China chamber of commerce or whatever it's called???
5. That would be ... uh ... John Ellis, who was a news analyst for ... uh, MSNBC??? I believe he called the election for his cousin before anyone had a good reason to do so, thus starting a "Bush Won" meme.
The rest are too difficult, though I'd love to know how far back you have to go in the Bush line to find a regular workin' guy. I *do* know Barbara's maiden name (George H.W.'s wife) and where that surname showed up in corporate America...

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-15-03, 11:59 PM (ET)
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2. Oh Yes. Babs is part of the formula, isn't she? Add the info

2a is correct. 2b: Crime please?
5. is exactly correct, except that it was for Fox.
Thank you for turning in your quiz so promptly.

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phaseolus (1123 posts)
May-16-03, 00:01 AM (ET)
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4. #8 - Marvin's business deal

Wasn't he selling pumps or drill bits or something to Iraq back in the 80s?

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:05 AM (ET)
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7. Well perhaps. But that's not what he's been slapped around

for recently. DUers are, like, the most ruthless researchers in the world. Someone will get it.
Bev

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JackieO (1372 posts)
May-16-03, 00:30 AM (ET)
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19. Marvin Bush

Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United
George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:34 AM (ET)
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22. Now there you have what I remember seeing on this

We were muddling around downstairs with this one. Thanks for a concise answer and a link.
Bev

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sangha (9320 posts)
May-16-03, 00:37 AM (ET)
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26. Stratesic

looks like something to search for. I gotta go. I'll bookmark this. Thanks Bev

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madfloridian (3010 posts)
May-16-03, 00:00 AM (ET)

3. #4 Bucky inspects elevators.

And probably a lot of other things. He is Jeb's uncle, William. He got a good thing with the privatization of elevator inspections.
He also got someone taken off the air for criticizing Jeb. Can't recall the story.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:03 AM (ET)
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5. Ching-ching! # 4 goes to the Mad Floridian.

LAST EDITED ON May-16-03 AT 00:07 AM (ET)
I hadn't heard the story about getting someone taken off the air. Bucky is from St. Louis Missouri and is involved with Boatmen's Bank.
But it was his elevator inspection business (and Jeb's decision to privatize the elevator inspections in Florida shortly after he took office) that raised people's hackles.
Bev
(Would the Bush family genealogy, with a short bio on each, make a lovely media blast?)
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greekspeak (203 posts)
May-16-03, 06:56 PM (ET)
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69. Boatmen's no longer exists

We had Boatmen's in Springfield, MO too and they were bought out and bought out again, and are now Bank of America.

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SpiralHawk (1636 posts)
May-16-03, 08:11 PM (ET)
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72. Blast the media, Bev

When you get this together. And please also prepare an e-mail so it can start getting networked around the net. Most media are likely to to ignore this -- but millions of patriotic American citizens won't -- and the way to reach them is to scatter the e-mail seeds.

Thinking back fondly on Jimmy Carter and his 'scurrilous brother' Billy. He was just a good ole boy, after all.

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God_bush_n_cheney (5094 posts)
May-16-03, 00:04 AM (ET)
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6. Here is the story

here http://www.bushnews.com/april2.htm

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:06 AM (ET)
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8. Thank you VERY much for the link, shortcuts my time

immensely if I make it into a press blast.
Bev

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madfloridian (3010 posts)
May-16-03, 00:38 AM (ET)
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27. Looks like Jeb, not Bucky got the guy fired.....involves the elevators.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/081901/Columns/Sunshine_Network_s_po.shtml
QUOTE:...."It began, ironically, with an e-mail last Feb. 28 from a Kerrigan employee to Liz Hirst, the governor's press secretary. A caller had asked whether a bill to privatize elevator inspections would benefit a company partly owned by Bush's uncle, W.T. "Bucky" Bush. (The bill later passed.) Kerrigan's aide asked whether the governor had a policy regarding the awarding of state contracts to kinfolk. Hirst relayed the question to the Department of Business and Professional Regulation.
The question was somewhat off point. The legislation doesn't provide for state contracts. Rather, it lets private building owners opt to have the companies that maintain their elevators certify that they are safe and waive inspection by the state. (Whether this is a good idea is a separate question. And yes, Bush's uncle is in that business.)...."
The rest of the article about this outrage sounds like Jeb did the dirty work. Or buddies. Anyway it is partially about good old Bucky.

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jabuchan (447 posts)
May-16-03, 00:07 AM (ET)

9. Okay I only have #8

Neil Bush was (president, board member, something) of the Silverado savings and loan, which he defrauded for millions. He is currently wanted by Colorado authorities, but George W. Bush refused to extradite him when he was governer of Texas.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:09 AM (ET)
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10. And we have a winner on #8. But are you sure about

that he is still wanted in Colorado? Warrants? That would be quite a nice little spice-up to the Neil bio.
Bev

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:12 AM (ET)
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11. OH NO! CORRECTION! This is a winner on #7

LAST EDITED ON May-16-03 AT 00:16 AM (ET)
(I didn't look at the question #s)
It is Neil that is associated with the S&L deal gone bad.
Please give back the $64,000 I just gave you.
Whaaa--
judges?
Okay, he had the name Neil right, but he called it question # 8.
Give the money back? Okay, I put that $64,000 prize into the trust fund holding Native American monies. You'll see it someday, I promise...

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DEMActivist (4516 posts)
May-16-03, 00:15 AM (ET)

12. I know where you can get it all

Check your private email for the addy to an incredible researcher named John Horne from England. He did the Bush Genealogy all the way back to The Nazi Collaborator.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:17 AM (ET)
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14. Thanks. But that misses the secret children of Samuel Bush

The nazi collaborator was Senator Prescott, son of Sam.
I'm gonna check that link out, Dem, thanks!
Bev

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SpiralHawk (1636 posts)
May-16-03, 09:22 AM (ET)
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51. Son of Sam !!!????? Arggghhhh

Is there no limit to their perfidy? LOL.
Apparently not.

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dmr (3427 posts)
May-16-03, 09:45 AM (ET)
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53. Samuel -

John Horne and I stayed up 2 nights searching for Samuel on the net so we could add it to John's tree, but we found zip. Hope someone can find something we can add - that would be soooo nice.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 12:46 PM (ET)
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58. Yeah. How likely is it that:

Samuel Prescott Bush was an only child
his son Prescott Bush was an only child
This was before birth control, folks. There are siblings, and those siblings have last names and married names that might be real interesting.
more likely, Samuel was one of about 4 kids, each of the four had at least 3 more (4 x 3 = 12) and each of those had at least 3 more (12 x 3 = 36) -- that's 36 families wiped off the ancestry trees just by Prescott Bush's Nazi days. Yes I absolutely want to know their names, the married names of the girls.
Who might they be? Any Dressers? McCarthys?
If anyone can find out, people at DU will find out.
Have at 'em.

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sangha (9320 posts)
May-16-03, 00:17 AM (ET)

13. Cool

3) I forgot
5) A sister-in-law? Her son worked for FOX or VNS, and he persuaded one of the networks to call Fla for Bush*.
6) From http://www.webguild.com/SENTINEL/bush_pardon.htm
"Orlando Bosch is the perpetrator of a 1976 bombing of a Cubana airplane carrying seventy-three civilians who were all killed. This was the world's first terrorist action involving the bombing of a civilian airliner. Bosch was recruited, trained, and supported by the CIA. He was then pardoned by the previous Bush administration, and to this day walks freely through the streets of Miami.
Bosch, had been serving a prison sentence but was freed as the result of a campaign launched by Jeb Bush and his right-wing Cuban supporters in Florida. The terrorist activities of Orlando Bosch are fully documented in the book Deadly Secrets by Warren Hinkle and William Turner, who in turn drew their information from a Senate investigation led by Senator Kerry into the activities of the CIA. Evidence showed that the bomb was placed by Cuban-American mercenaries, in the pay of the US Central Intelligence Agency, the CIA. The two terrorists who admitted that they placed the bomb on the Cubana flight?Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch?are currently free, receiving refuge in the United States.
According to the New York Time of August 17, 1989, Cuban right-wing congressperson Ros-Lehtinen met with former President Bush to negotiate Bosch's release. The meeting was arranged by her campaign manager, Jeb Bush, who had earlier met with Cuban hunger strikers also demanding the release. Bosch was pardoned on July 18, 1990 and the New York Times was the lonely voice denouncing Bush's pardon on an editorial published July 20, 1990."
7) Brother, I think. S&L "crisis"

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:21 AM (ET)
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16. You got half of #6 -- there's more!

LAST EDITED ON May-16-03 AT 00:23 AM (ET)
Okay what the hell is this: "3) I forgot" tsk tsk.
#5: Not quite, Nancy Bush is not a sister in law.
But yes, her son called the election, and he worked for Fox.
#6: There's quite a bit more to Jeb and Bosch family business dealings. Some even say that's where he made his money...
#7: Neil is Poppy's son, shrub's brother, correct on the S&L crisis.
Bev

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sangha (9320 posts)
May-16-03, 00:31 AM (ET)
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20. Is this it?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3308.htm
"The Bush family connections go back to 1984 when Jeb Bush began a close association with Camilo Padreda, a former intelligence officer with the Batista dictatorship overthrown by Fidel Castro.
Jeb Bush was then the chairman of the Dade county Republican party and Padreda its finance chairman. Padreda had earlier been indicted on a $500,000 (?320,000) embezzlement charge along with a fellow exile, Hernandez Cartaya, but the charges were dropped, reportedly after the CIA stated that Cartaya had worked for them.
Padreda later pleaded guilty to defrauding the housing and urban development department of millions of dollars during the 1980s.
The president's younger brother was also on the payroll in the 80s of the prominent Cuban exile Miguel Recarey, who had earlier assisted the CIA in attempts to assassinate President Castro.
Recarey, who ran International Medical Centers (IMC), employed Jeb Bush as a real estate consultant and paid him a $75,000 fee for finding the company a new location, although the move never took place, which raised questions at the time. Jeb Bush did, however, lobby the Reagan/Bush administration vigorously and successfully on behalf of Recarey and IMC. "I want to be very wealthy," Jeb Bush told the Miami News when questioned during that period.
In 1985, Jeb Bush acted as a conduit on behalf of supporters of the Nicaraguan contras with his father, then the vice-president, and helped arrange for IMC to provide free medical treatment for the contras.
Recarey was later charged with massive medicare fraud but fled the US before his trial and is now a fugitive"
IIRC, Padreda is connected to Bosch.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:36 AM (ET)
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24. Well you scooped up a whole new one -- kudos.

No, the Jeb + Bosch connection I was looking for is, hint hint, with the Bacardi people (Bosch family were primary owners of Bacardi)
Bev

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sangha (9320 posts)
May-16-03, 00:45 AM (ET)
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30. Not an answer to the question

but might be worth some time looking into

Miami-Dade County commissioner and husband arrested on grand theft charges
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/04/22/national1215EDT0583.DTL
This guy has an interesting past
http://www.co.miami-dade.fl.us/district12/
About the Commissioner
Jose ?Pepe? Cancio, Sr.
District 12
Wait! Something else
http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2001/05/vest-j-05-25.html
According to Reich's critics, the aforementioned tale sums up just about everything you need to know about the man: an extreme right-wing ideologue who, in the service of pushing his agenda, won't hesitate to warp reality, using classic psychological warfare tools of disinformation and innuendo. Digging into Reich's activities of the past 20 years, it's difficult to prove his critics wrong; from stints as an Oliver North associate during Iran-Contra to lobbying for Bacardi to helping write the dingy Helms-Burton Act (which props up a 40-year anti-Cuban embargo the rest of the world sees as bizarrely petulant) and being a shill for sweatshops, Reich's entire career looms as a monument to an almost sublime fusion of skillful spinning and right-wing advocacy.

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Mika (2070 posts)
May-17-03, 06:33 PM (ET)
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107. Pepe Cancio = CANF/ Alpha 66/ Commandos F-4

Pepe is a big time terrorist leader among the Miamicuban anti Castro cultists. Connections with Jorge Mas Canosa, founder of the CANF.

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God_bush_n_cheney (5094 posts)
May-16-03, 00:20 AM (ET)

15. What was Bushs' involvementr here Bev???

http://www.hereinreality.com/funeralgate.htm

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sangha (9320 posts)
May-16-03, 00:25 AM (ET)

17. #8

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3308.htm
"In recent years the problem has been excerbated by the ?gutting? of the government through wholesale deregulation and privatisation, which has enabled those with the ?right? connections to gain access to vast gobs of money in the form of subsidies and lucrative contracts (eg Marvin Bush?s Ignite corporation, or the Kuwaiti Harken Oil deals, Choicepoint?s Homeland Security contracts and the software company it uses, Sybase Inc which has Bush family connections). The effect has been to turn various and sundry government agencies into hollow shells. Companies can then effectively write themselves blank cheques or simply ignore the toothless edicts issued by the regulators (eg the SEC over the Silverado S&L scandal)."
...Marvin Bush, the brother of President Bush and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, joined the board of directors of Fresh Del Monte in 1998, after the alleged events took place. Marvin Bush was re-elected to the company's board this year for a term ending in 2005, and served on the board's critically important audit and compensation committees.
In October, Bush decided to resign from the board at the end of 2002. Without any public notice of Bush's planned departure by Fresh Del Monte, news of his pending resignation was not reported until last month."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3336.htm
The links between these companies is strange. All have a Bush connection as well as a World Trade Centre, United Airlines, Dulles International Airport security, aviation and Kuwaiti connection. What is known, is that SEC regulations were breached by Marvin Bush in filings submitted to the SEC

Who is Marvin P. Bush?
The public rarely sees Marvin P. Bush, brother of President Bush II.
Marvin P. Bush is the founder (1993) and Managing Partner of Winston Partners Group of Vienna, Virginia. It's a private investment company. He is also the Managing General Partner of Winston Growth Fund, LLP; Winston International Growth Fund, LP; Winston Small Cap Growth Fund, LP; all related companies.
Before this, he spent 12 years in the investment business with the firms of Mosley, Hallgarten, Estabrook and Weeden, Shearson Lehman Brothers, and John Stewart Darrel & Company.
In January, 1998, Marvin Bush was appointed to the Board of Directors of the Fresh Del Monte Produce company, the giant fruit company (major product bananas) that makes the canned goods we buy in our markets. Del Monte is owned by a very wealthy family from Kuwait, the Abu-Ghazaleh family. Mohammed Abu-Ghazaleh is the CEO and he has several family members on the Board alongside Marvin Bush. Another member of the Fresh Del Monte Board of Directors is Stephen Way, who is a major Bush fundraiser. Way is the head of the Houston-based HCC Insurance Holdings Company. In early 2000, Stephen Way acquired the appointment of Marvin Bush to the Board of Directors of HCC. In that transaction, Bush not only landed a very large salary, but a sweet stock option deal. He purchased about $130,000 worth of HCC stock which is now valued at close to $600,000, not even one year later.
Marvin Bush is also on the Board of Directors of something called the Kerrco Company.
Marvin also was named to the Board of Directors of the Stratesec Company, another large publicly-traded firm. This company is very secretive and you can find virtually nothing about it. Their website does not allow entry to several links unless one has a password. Virginia-based Stratesec is a provider of high-tech security systems. Two of the major customers for which they provide security are the Dulles International Airport at Washington, D.C. and the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Stratesec's revenues recently went up by 60%, due to what the company describes as "new customers" Prominent people at Stratesec also include former Reagan operatives including Barry McDaniel and Air Force General James A. Abrahamson (who was involved in the Reagan "Star Wars" project). Stratesec is a company is heavily inter-related with the Kuwam Corporation ("Kuw" = Kuwait; "am" = America). Kuwam is a major Kuwaiti Company into many, many activities including the aircraft business. Stratesec's Chief Executive is also the Managing Director of Kuwam Corporation and Kuwam's Chairman Mishal Yousef Saud Al Sabah sits on Stratesec's Board of Directors. Stratesec is providing the primary security for one of the most sensitive airports in the world. Dulles in D.C., has a heavy middle eastern airline connection.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:33 AM (ET)
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21. Stratesic, I believe, also had a WTC security contract

You came about as close as I did on #8, Marvin Bush.
Thanks for the above. What I was looking for was the Stratesic connection, and his tie-in to the WTC security contract. There was some other murky dealing with his Winston Partners group that made the news as a possible conflict of interest or something.
Bev

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Octafish (1334 posts)
May-16-03, 00:30 AM (ET)

18. Prescott bad. Very bad. Very bad things.

Dunno if this is what you're looking for, Bev, but here goes:
2) How is the other Prescott Bush related, and what did he do that got them to quietly remove his name from Internet genealogy sites?
PRESCOTT BUSH. In 1989, when Japanese organized crime elements were seeking to extend their financial interests into the U.S.,1 Prescott Bush arranged investments by a Japanese Mob front company in two U.S. businesses and a large piece of U.S. land.2 The Japanese company, West Tsusho, was identified by Japanese police as a front company for one of Japan?s largest organized crime syndicates.3 Bush was paid $500,000 for help in arranging the company?s purchase of a controlling interest of one U.S. firm, Assets Management,4 and also helped the Japanese Mob front to invest in Quantam access, a U.S. software firm; it ultimately took complete control.5 Both U.S. companies subsequently filed for bankruptcy.6 Bush denied any knowledge of the Japanese Mob?s role in these deals,7 which came under investigation by both a U.S. bankruptcy court-appointed trustee,8 and the Japanese police.9
Also in 1989, Prescott flew twice to China as a paid advisor for Assets Management to promote a company plan to link Chinese universities and businesses into a Satellite communications network.10 Later that year, President Bush granted a national security waiver for the sale of two Hughes Aircraft company satellites to China, a move that Assets Management officials described as advantageous for its proposed plans.11
1. LA Times, 8/1/1991, p. 1.
2. Ibid.; Washington Post, 7/4/1992, p. A1
3. Washington Post, 7/4/1992, p. A1.
4. Ibid.; LA Times, 6/11/1991, p. 10.
5. Washington Post, 7/4/1992, p. A1.
6. Ibid.; Wall Street Journal, 12/6/1991, p. A4
7. Washington Post, 7/4/1992, p. A1.
8. Wall Street Journal, 9/9/1992, p. C15.
9. Wall Street Journal Europe, 7/11/1991, p. 12.
10. Washington Post, 7/4/1992, p. A1.
11. Ibid.

SOURCE:
http://www.campaignwatch.org/more1.htm#prescott

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:40 AM (ET)
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28. KaZing! And there's more...it's just as bad

Prescott Jr., I must tell you DUers, is somewhat unspinnable. They just have to go around pretending he doesn't exist.
You got one of Prescott's worst, but not the most bizarre one. As in Prescott...what were you thinking?
Bev

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Octafish (1334 posts)
May-16-03, 01:16 AM (ET)
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32. Panama Clubs and China Satellites? Help...

...Have mercy on a tired old parent of two kids under the age of 6. Head. Aches. Eyes. Hurt. Bush. Bad. Very very bad.
How about I raise up a pair of Prescott's skeletons' trousers:
1. Panama Deception (Operation Just Cause)
The "Cleanup Wars"
The first "cleanup war" was so-called Operation Just Cause in Panama. We invaded with the ostensibly 'just' cause of arresting a drug dealer and bringing him to justice here in the U.S.. The fact that he was the leader of another country, and that this is a violation of international law, didn't raise a naysayer, although insiders knew that Noriega was working for us before Bush started to see him as a threat. He may have wanted to jail Noriega because of the Iran-Contra secrets he knew. The other ostensible reason was because of Bush family holdings in Panama. It seems that Prescott's friends in the Aoki Corporation of Japan have invested more than $350 million in Panama; their holdings include the luxury resort Caesar Park and the Mariott Hotel. Bush may have been afraid of Noriega nationalizing that property. While Bush claimed to be nailing a dealer, he replaced him with two other dope pushers. Panamanian president Guillermo Endara is a director of the bank used exclusively by the Medellin cartel, and vice president Guillermo Ford is part owner of Dadeland Bank of Florida, which stands accused of laundering South American drug money. This Bush cleanup cost 26 American and 2000 Panamanian (civilian) lives, and several million dollars. It's worth seeing the film The Panama Deception to see some of the chilling secrets of this operation, including hidden mass graves of murdered civilians.
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/26515.php

2. China Satellites & Other Assorted Dirty Deals
Along with access, the family name has also brought scrutiny to Prescott Bush's deals:
* He was criticized in 1989 for visiting China to meet with business and government leaders just three months after the Tiananmen Square massacre, in which army troops fired at pro-democracy demonstrators.
* His Shanghai partnership with the Japanese firm Aoki in 1988 proved embarrassing when revelations surfaced that Aoki at the same time was allegedly trying to get business contracts by bribing Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, whom the first President Bush later ousted from power.
* His connections to an American firm, Asset Management, came into question in 1989, when the company was the only U.S. firm able to skirt U.S. sanctions and import communications satellites into China.
* When Asset Management went bankrupt later that year, Bush's deal to arrange a buyout through West Tsusho, a Japanese investment firm, raised eyebrows. Newspapers reported that Japanese police were investigating West Tsusho's alleged ties to organized crime.
Bush declines to discuss those controversies. "That's old news. It's in the past," he says.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/02/19/usat-prescott-bush.htm
Hey, Bev! If these don't work, I promise to keep digging up the case on Geronimo's skull tomorrow.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 01:26 AM (ET)
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33. I promise, this one's my fave. That's why I'm saving it--

But I promise I'll kick this to the top tomorrow morning.
You guys keep finding MORE dirt. We musn't stop, shall we?
I'll spill the beans tomorrow morning if no one gets it. Unlike most corporate crime, it's easy to understand and impossible to explain your way out of.
Bev

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 04:11 AM (ET)
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45. Okay it's morning. HERE IT IS (drumroll, please).....

Prescott Bush Jr. got busted in a scam selling green cards. This blue-blood didn't want to sell to riff-raff, mind you, so he tried this doofy business plan: Sell to rich white people -- get yer green cards here -- just $100,000 -- get 'em while they're hot!
Well, he couldn't find enough of a market of rich white people who wanted to fork out $100,000 for a green card, so he started marketing to desperate white people willing to give up their life savings for a green card.
This went along for awhile, until the INS got wind of it and started confiscating the green cards and deporting those who now had no life savings left.
"But, but--" they pointed to Prescott Jr., and they asked him to refund their money, because he'd promised them the green cards were legal -- it seems he had lost all his records of the money and they were out of luck and hustled onto the next boat home.
I found this using a Lexis Nexis search -- saved every scrap of it. Knew we'd want to use it someday.
Bev Harris
ProTalion - Progressive Communications
http://www.talion.com/protalion.html
(Why isn't Prescott Jr. in jail?)
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Octafish (1334 posts)
May-16-03, 09:11 AM (ET)
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49. Wow! Prescott's Green Cards for Cash? Program

What a story! Prescott's Green Cards for Cash? Program must have been quite a racket in its day. I shudder to imagine what money cow has taken the place of defrauding the vulnerable people who sacrifice all in order to come to America.
The story also points up the importance of free access to information for Democracy, as IanBruce's family understands so well. For without access to Lexis-Nexis, there's no way in the world I would have gotten that one! It is, as far as I can tell, scrubbed clean from the public Internet.
One thing I can see with my own two eyes: The BFEE are without peer amongst arch-criminals. For proof, just look around at the state of the world.

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donsu (2167 posts)
May-16-03, 01:28 PM (ET)
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59. this made me think of the bushgang arresting

that person in N.J. for selling driver's licenses

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Octafish (1334 posts)
May-17-03, 10:31 AM (ET)
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95. Remember TN drivers' licenses for terrorists?

Thanks for the heads-up and thanks for the reminder about the woman at the Tennessee DMV who specialized in getting terrorists drivers' licenses. ? Octafish

FBI probes death of driver's license examiner
Woman gave licenses to men being checked for terrorist links
February 15, 2002 Posted: 11:19 PM EST (0419 GMT)
From Kevin Bohn and Deborah Feyerick
CNN Washington
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The death of a Tennessee driver's license examiner accused of helping six illegal immigrants get false drivers' licenses was no accident, the FBI said Friday.
Katherine Smith was found burned to death in her car early Sunday, a day before she was to be arraigned on federal charges she helped five Middle Eastern men and one juvenile get fake driver's licenses earlier this month. The five adults are under investigation for possible ties to the September 11 terrorist attacks, law enforcement officials said.
Smith's car was on fire when it struck a utility pole on a rural highway about 30 miles from Memphis, FBI agent Suzanne Nash said Wednesday. Smith's clothing had been soaked with gasoline, leaving her burned beyond recognition, according to authorities.
The FBI said Smith's death was either a homicide or a suicide.
Continued...
http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/02/15/inv.licenser.death/

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JanMichael (6635 posts)
May-16-03, 10:14 PM (ET)
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75. Is Prescott Jr. GHWB's older bro'?

Is he still alive?

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madfloridian (3010 posts)
May-16-03, 10:29 PM (ET)
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76. I am confused on who the Prescotts are.

Help! I know the older one, but the other one....who is he?

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 00:08 AM (ET)
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78. Prescott Sr = laundered Nazi money Prescott Jr=green cards, yakuza

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Prescott Jr. is George Herbert Walker Bush's brother. He is the one who mucked around in a deal with Japanese gangsters, and had a scam selling green cards.
Prescott Sr. is George Herbert Walker Bush's father. He is the one involved with the company whose funds were frozen because they were laundering Nazi money.
Prescott Sr. was also a director (chairman? I'd have to check) of Dresser Industries, which later merged with Halliburton, a move that conveniently allowed it to do business with Iraq, and also neatly stripped loyal Dresser employees of their pension funds as Halliburton spun off Dresser, cleaning up on the pensions as the company went through the Halliburton laundry machine to emerge as the new Dresser Rand.
Perhaps the red studebaker note belongs here: George Herbert Walker Bush's first job was with an oil division owned by Dresser. He is fond of saying, in his official bios, that he first arrived in Texas in a red studebaker. A nice folksy tale that appeals to the little people.
Actually, he arrived in Texas on the Dresser corporate jet, and I believe there is a photo of this rattling around somewhere.
Bev Harris
Protalion - Progressive Communications
http://www.talion.com/protalion.html
(If ordinary citizens at Democratic Underground can find all this in under 24 hours, why can't the American press corps develop a story on this in 20 years of Bush political machinery?)
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Eloriel (10152 posts)
May-17-03, 00:55 AM (ET)
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81. OT, but an interesting point

In 1989, when Japanese organized crime elements were seeking to extend their financial interests into the U.S.,1 Prescott Bush arranged investments by a Japanese Mob front company in two U.S. businesses. ... snip ... Both U.S. companies subsequently filed for bankruptcy.
One article I read some time ago (and I wish I could find it again)pointed out that the Bushies were wont to use the mafia business model, which is basically to move in, control the company, rape it of all its asset and steal other investors' money, and drive it into bankruptcy. The mafia (in the US and apparently in Japan as well) has little interest in running some of these companies, but are really more blood sucking parasites which ultimately kill the host.
This is pretty much how the S&L scandal went down, isn't it? And some of the things in Jeb's past as well, I believe, and let's not forget Harken, which was a small-time, "kinder, gentler" version of same. Think of how the boys at the top of such companies as Enron and others with Bush ties (as well as some without such close Bush ties like Worldcom) operated.
My fear is that now W. is using a version of the same "business model" on the U.S. Treasury and economy.
On another note, I would love to find out more about Poppy's tenure as head of the CIA. There's never anything at all mentioned about it. Anywhere (at least that I've ever encountered). The only mention I know of is that Hoover FBI memo that mentioned "George Bush of the CIA" and that lost day of his in Dallas on the very day Kennedy was assassinated. (Not trying to hijack your thread here. I guess I'm in a stream of consciousness mode.)
/s.o.c.
Eloriel

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 01:08 AM (ET)
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82. Good points, Eloriel. Same biz model used on countries

Rape them of their assets, drive 'em into bankruptcy, discard and move on.
Argentina?
Iraq?
BH

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treepig (700 posts)
May-17-03, 09:16 AM (ET)
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93. you forgot

usa? !

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The_Gopher (518 posts)
May-16-03, 00:36 AM (ET)

23. #3

In 1991, Jonathan Bush, Poppy's brother, was fined $30,000 in MA and $4000 in CT for violating registration laws regarding securities sales. He was barred from securities brokerage in MA for a year.
http://www.webguild.com/sentinel/Bush_family_hustle.pdf

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 00:42 AM (ET)
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29. We have a winner on #3! And, because he's a Bush, there's more...

I believe they pulled his license in New York too, due to repeated violations of securities laws.
Bev

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Octafish (1334 posts)
May-16-03, 00:36 AM (ET)

25. #6 ? Get Terrorist Out of Jail Free Card

6) What business dealings did Jeb Bush have with the Bosch family? For what crime did one Bush ask another Bush to pardon a Bosch?
On February 16, 1988 convicted terrorist (Florida 1968 attack on freighter), Orlando Bosch, illegally entered the United States, after having spent 11 years in prison in Venezuela for the terrorist attack on a Cubana plane that resulted in the loss of 73 lives. The accounts of how Bosch came to the United States conflict, with one side blaming the Venezuelan government and the other side blaming the U.S. ambassador to Venezuela, Otto Reich.
Not disputed is that in 1990 and 1992 President Bush, at the urging of his son Jeb, paroled and then pardoned Bosch. The pardon won Jeb Bush support of anti-Castro voters of Florida in his election as governor and George W. Bush in his election of 2000. Since his pardon Bosch has been connected by some to bombings of hotels in Cuba. Cuba wants to try Bosch for terrorist attacks. The organization created by Bosch has claimed responsibility for bombings in Venezuela, Panama, Mexico, Argentina, Spain and, of all places, New York. Are victims of bombings in New York that are the work of Bosch less entitled to justice than those victims of bin Laden's attacks? Why hunt one terrorist in Afghanistan at great cost, while allowing another to live in Florida?
SOURCE (Plus a lot o? links therein):
http://www.hailmaryshelley.com/bosch-links.html

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Oaf Of Office (1620 posts)
May-16-03, 01:00 AM (ET)

31. Here's what Neil is doing today

LAST EDITED ON May-16-03 AT 01:03 AM (ET)
<snip>
Biting into my knuckles while reading The New York Times yesterday, I nearly fainted from an adrenaline rush of nastiness. There, on Page A-16, was a story that left even the most sainted among us smirking from ear to ear. The headline gave only the barest hint of the story's absurdity: "Bush Brother Pushes Education on Sales Campaign Trail."
Apparently, Neil Bush, the president's 47-year-old brother, is no longer haunted by his involvement in a failed savings and loan association in the early 1990s. Consistent with the expectation that there's plenty of room for second acts in America, Neil Bush is now an education reformer pushing history curriculum software to school systems in the nation's biggest states for $30 a student.
And not just any boring history curriculum software. Mr. Bush knows how to reach out to today's attention deficit-saddled generation. Unlike many of his Republican brethren, Neil Bush is a big believer in using hip-hop beats as an educational tool.
<more>
http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20020308tony3.asp
On Edit: I found it interesting that this software included teaching students history. The Bush version that is.

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madfloridian (3010 posts)
May-16-03, 01:47 AM (ET)
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36. His "rap" is awful! Ha Ha.

From the article:
..."Check out the rap Bush commissioned about the Founding Homies who met in Philadelphia in the days before MTV's Total Request Live:
"It was 55 delegates from 12 states / Took one hot Philadelphia summer to create / A perfect document for their imperfect times / Franklin / Madison / Washington / A lot of cats / Who used to be in the Continental Congress way back."
Look, I'm not going to playa hate the president's brother. We have to stop piling on easy targets. Neil Bush jackin' hip-hop beats to advance the teaching of American history doesn't rise to the level of Pat Boone ripping off Little Richard and Chuck Berry when rock 'n' roll was in its infancy. But, man, it comes close......."

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nannygoat (804 posts)
May-16-03, 09:55 AM (ET)
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55. More Neil * links...

Neil Bush touting education venture
http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/4378776.htm
Bush brother trying to sell FCAT software to Florida schools
http://www.naplesnews.com/02/10/florida/d799030a.htm
Governor's Brother Marketing School Software
http://www.flanews.com/archives2002/1028School.htm
Another suspect deal, another Bush brother in the mix
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/01/03/Columns/Another_suspect_deal_.shtml

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DoYouEverWonder (2826 posts)
May-16-03, 03:31 PM (ET)
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64. And guess who buying this software

Florida's school districts.

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JanMichael (6635 posts)
May-17-03, 11:12 AM (ET)
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96. Figures.

I hate them, I hate them, I hate them.
Thanks. I feel much better now

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ianbruce (2099 posts)
May-16-03, 01:35 AM (ET)

34. Prescott Bush: This is personal...

LAST EDITED ON May-16-03 AT 02:14 AM (ET)
Our family, the Doubleday's, used to winter off the coast of Florida with the Bush's, the Vanderbilts, the Carnagies, et al. We had no idea that the Bush's were aiding and abetting the Nazi cause for profit long after the nature of the Nazi regime became clear to anyone -- and even after the U.S.'s declaration of war against Germany.
All told, three of Prescott Bush's companies were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act, at which point, the depths of this man's evil were clear, and the Doubleday's ceased to have anything to do with him. We were, to say the very least, rather displeased to discover that he was the Director of one of the two primary suppliers of war material to the Nazi government throughout its arms build-up in the 1930s, and into the 1940s, as well as The Hamburg-Amerika Line -- a primary conduit for the shipment of American guns to the Nazis.
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We've had dozens of family graduates from Annapolis, and West Point -- including 2 Brigadier Generals. At that moment in time we had family members from dogfaces to Commanders in the European Theatre, facing tanks, aircraft, American-made guns and high-explosives built with the very materials supplied by our own friendly bridge partner.
Naturally, nobody wants to discuss this now...
Growing up, I'd been taught that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice, and the very foundation of our democracy. The duty of journalists and editors is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Promoting the short-term narrow political agenda of a paper or network's parent company -- is not journalism. It's a disgrace to truth, and an affront to the memories of the millions who shed blood and gave their lives to create this nation.
I don't fully understand how we arrived at this point, but some of these "professionals" today sound as though they took writing tips from one of Prescott Bush's former business partners:
"The receptive ability of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, their forgetfulness enormous. Therefore, all propaganda has to limit itself to a very few points and repeat them like slogans until even the very last man is able to understand what you want him to understand." -- Mein Kampf.
Hitler never won any Pulitzers or Polk awards, but damned if he didn't know what he was talking about. Were he alive, he'd probably be news director at Fox.
(edited for emphasis)

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 01:41 AM (ET)
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35. You just blew me away.

Info: A+ for originality and research
Delivery: A+ for clarity
Conclusions: A+ for summing up what's wrong with journalism
Historical perspective: A+
Any more family reminiscences you can email me privately?
Gosh, IanBruce.
Bev

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ianbruce (2099 posts)
May-16-03, 02:02 AM (ET)
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38. Thanks Bev.

LAST EDITED ON May-16-03 AT 02:05 AM (ET)
Yeah. My family's got some history here. I'm a direct descendent of two presidents, John Adams (#2) and John Quincy Adams (#6); General Artemus Ward (the first Commander-in-Chief of Revolutionary Forces, who held the charge of Bunker Hill); General Abner Doubleday (who fired the first shot in defense of the North at Fort Sumter, and commanded Union forces on the critical first day of Gettysburg); and more American historical figures than you could shake a stick at since my family arrived on these shores on the Mayflower, Dec. 26, 1620.
As a Son the the American Revolution, I take our country's flag, and the values it represents very seriously. Out of the 56 signatories to the Declaration of Independence, two of them, Samuel, and John Adams are family. It's a lot to live up to.
I know a thing or two about patriots, and I do what I can.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 02:38 AM (ET)
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42. I have a common ancestor with two presidents also:

Now see, this isn't fair. You get founding fathers and I get
George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush
Ancestry diverged two centuries back.
Bev Harris

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Cheswick (7945 posts)
May-17-03, 03:21 PM (ET)
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104. A Few of my ancestors stepped off the mayflower too

I also had ancestors who fought in the revolutionary, civil and war of 1812. I too feel that my history is tied up in the birth of this country and I am mad about what is happening.
The BFEE should be rounded up and locked away.

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madfloridian (3010 posts)
May-16-03, 01:53 AM (ET)
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37. Wow, ian bruce!

Impressive to say the least.
How true this is.
...""The receptive ability of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, their forgetfulness enormous. Therefore, all propaganda has to limit itself to a very few points and repeat them like slogans until even the very last man is able to understand what you want him to understand." -- Mein Kampf.
And that is exactly what is going on:
WMD
Gassed his own people
Tax cuts will stimulate
etc ad nauseum

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JackRiddler (413 posts)
May-16-03, 02:10 AM (ET)
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39. Where did you get that graphic?!

Is that really Prescott Bush's Arbeitsbuch under the Reich? Can you please confirm? Thank you very much!
"JR"

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ianbruce (2099 posts)
May-16-03, 02:38 AM (ET)
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41. I'm sorry JR. Like Prescott Bush's soul...

LAST EDITED ON May-16-03 AT 02:39 AM (ET)
... it's a clever forgery. Bush would have been issued one exactly like this as he spent a considerable amount of time in Germany working for the Nazis.
The Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Hitler before and during World War II. This was first reported nine years ago by authors John Loftus and Mark Aarons in The Secret War Against the Jews:
... Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation was located near the Polish town of Oswiecim, one of Poland's richest mineral regions. That was where Hitler set up the Auschwitz concentration camp. When the plan to work Soviet prisoners fell through, the Nazis transferred Jews, communists, gypsies and other minority populations to the camp. The prisoners of Auschwitz who were able to work were shipped to 30 different companies. One of the companies was the vast Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation.
Nobody had made the connection before between Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, Auschwitz and Prescott Bush. That was the reason why Auschwitz was built there in the first place -- the coal deposits, which could be processed into either fuel, or additives for aviation gasoline, materials the German war machine desperately required.
According to Dutch intelligence, a portion of the slave labor force in Poland was actually managed by Prescott Bush himself. In 1941, slave labor had become the lifeblood of the Nazi war machine, and the resources of Poland's rich steel and coal field played an essential part in Hitler's invasion of Europe. This was one of the principal reasons for Hitler's "pre-emptive" invasion of that country.
"... Six days after Pearl Harbor and the US declaration of war at the end of 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau and US Attorney General Francis Biddle signed the Trading With the Enemy Act, which banned any business interests with US enemies of war. Prescott Bush continued with business as usual, aiding the Nazi invasion of Europe and supplying resources for weaponry that would eventually be turned on American solders in combat against Germany.
On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government had had enough of Prescott Bush and his Nazi business arrangements with Thyssen. Over the summer, The New York Tribune had exposed Bush and Thyssen, whom the Tribune dubbed 'Hitler's Angel.' When the U.S. government saw UBC's books, they found out that Bush's bank and its shareholders 'are held for the benefit of members of the Thyssen family, the property of nationals of a designated enemy country'."

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Karenina (4001 posts)
May-16-03, 09:16 AM (ET)
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50. STUNNING ARROGANCE

The contempt of the "other" this *crime family has nurtured over generations is breath-takingl and appalling. Identifying with and supporting them, if you are not one of their "inner circle" is a mental disorder that should be a candidate for the next DSM.
"I don't fully understand how we arrived at this point, but some of these "professionals" today sound as though they took writing tips from one of Prescott Bush's former business partners:
"The receptive ability of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, their forgetfulness enormous. Therefore, all propaganda has to limit itself to a very few points and repeat them like slogans until even the very last man is able to understand what you want him to understand." -- Mein Kampf.
These "professionals" are following the playbook, having become sharp-shooters at using their *controlled media to cover their tracks, distract and herd.
It is AMAZING to me that America is in such denial about the "values" this *family continually displays, they are selfish, slimy, mean-spirited, dishonest, racist and UNAMERICAN. They in no way, shape or form represent American values.
Lookee here:
George Bush's Texas: Big oil and big politics in our most polluted state
Posted on Sunday, June 16 @ 08:54:01 EDT
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It's the most polluted state in the planet's most powerful country. Ed Vulliamy goes into George Bush's backyard to reveal how big oil got in bed with big politics and the price paid by the little people

By Ed Vulliamy, The Observer

There is a perverse beauty to the landscape arraigned below the iron bridge where Highway 255 strides the Houston Ship Channel: great towers of light and fire as far as the eye can behold; sinewy steel piping, plumes of smoke and flame twinkling into a Texas twilight coloured by a shroud of pollution hanging from the sky. The awesome prepotency of this smokescape is no illusion, for this is an epicentre of power, oil capital of the Western world and the most industrialised corner of the United States. It is also the capital of a power machine perfected in Texas, elevated to rule the nation and now unchallenged across the planet. A machine that operates in perpetual motion - an equilibrium of interests - between industry and politics. LaNell Anderson, former Republican voter, businesswoman and real-estate broker who lived many years in this land of smokestacks and smog, calls it 'vending-machine politics: you puts your money in and you gets your product out'.

'We don't see ourselves as a dynasty,' said George Bush Sr as his son launched the election campaign that won him the current presidency, raiding father's Rolodex to do so. 'We don't feel entitled to anything.' And yet at no point in the past 50 years - the half-century since 1952 which defines the modern age - has there not been a Bush in a governor's mansion (in Texas or Florida), on Capitol Hill or in the White House - and usually more than one of those at a time.
The 'vending machine' is a single family whose tango with the powers which illuminate this endless horizon of light and flame is a dance around every corner in the labyrinth of Texan and now national - indeed global - politics. 'Everything they learned when they started out in west Texas,' says Dr Neil Carman, once a regulator of pollution in the state, 'they applied to the governor's mansion, the nation and the world... Power in America is not so much about George W Bush, it's about the people from Texas who put him there.'
(snip)
'What's the secret?' chided William Conway, a co-founder of the group. 'I don't think we have any secrets. We are a group of businessmen who have made a huge amount of money for our investors.' 'I never bought into this conspiracy theory about the Bush family, the energy companies or the Carlyle Group,' says Michael King, seasoned political editor of the Austin Chronicle , who has observed the phenomenon for decades. 'It is perfectly clear what they're aiming at from what they do in public: managing the global economy to their own advantage, and doing a pretty good job of it.'
On 11 September, while Al-Qaeda's planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Carlyle Group hosted a conference at a Washington hotel. Among the guests of honour was a valued investor: Shafig bin Laden, brother to Osama.

http://www.observer.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html

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Octafish (1334 posts)
May-16-03, 09:33 AM (ET)
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52. Thank you for going on record, IanBruce!

Wow! Your story made me think I was there. I will never forget it. And I will tell others. Yours are the marks of a truly great communicator.
When it comes to the Bush Crime Family, it IS personal. My family, too, has been in the service of this country since the revolution. They believe, and believed, in America and the Constitution and all that they stand for ? including its ideals as a nation united under law with liberty, justice, equality for all.

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JackRiddler (413 posts)
May-16-03, 02:27 AM (ET)

40. A Crime Family Link...

http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 03:37 AM (ET)

43. GENEALOGY MYSTERY -- This just might yield a smoking gun

LAST EDITED ON May-16-03 AT 03:48 AM (ET)
Question # 1 has never been answered by anyone I know (I haven't had a chance to get to the link DemActivist sent, but if that goes back to Prescott, then it still doesn't answer #1.)
Who are Prescott Bush Sr.'s brothers and sisters?
#1)
The Bush genealogy struck me as very odd the moment I looked at it. In the late 1800s and early 1900s, families typically had 4 or 5 children.
Yet, the online census database showed that Samuel Prescott Bush, of Ohio, had an only child: Prescott Bush. (Though I didn't spend much time on this, the initial records I looked at also said that Samuel Bush was an only child.) I'll bet both of them had siblings.
Who cares? Well, Prescott Bush probably had at least three siblings. I did find an obscure, unofficial, mention of a John P. Bush, reportedly his brother, but it didn't yield any more information.
A Vannevar Bush from Massachussetts worked on nuclear weapons, but when asked, George H.W. Bush said obliquely, "we don't claim each other as family."
This is a family that behaves as a clan. It would seem to me that the siblings of Prescott Bush, whose children would be first cousins of George H.W. Bush, would be involved in crony business deals and political patronage just like the rest of the Bush clan.
I'm thinking their names are hidden for a reason. Are they more directly traceable to Nazis even than Prescott himself? Now, if Prescott had sisters, they would probably go by married names.
The likelihood is strong that Prescott did have a sister or two. If so, the likelihood is strong that there are in-laws whose names we do not know -- or, tantalizingly, we may BE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR NAMES but not know that they tie up to the Bush family.
Imagine for a moment that Prescott Bush's sister married a German businessman. Or suppose she married a man with the last name "Bechtel." Most likely nothing that interesting will come of finding these answers, but when things are hidden, we should look, don't you think?
Potentially a productive line of research. I'm sure someone has done it, but I sure can't find it. Neither could my husband, who is an avid genealogy buff.
The National Archives releases records every 10 years. To protect privacy, it does not release recent census records with people's names. But they recently released 1930. Also available is 1920, 1910, 1900. Most 1890 census records were burned in a fire.
Working backwards, George H.W. Bush was born June 12, 1924 in Milton, Massachusetts.
His father, Prescott Bush, is said to have been born in 1895. Siblings would have been born, most likely, between 1890 and 1900.
The 1890 records are not available, but if anyone lives near a regional records center for the National Archives (there is one here in Seattle, but we haven't done a search there) -- or in Salt Lake City -- the physical records of the 1900 and 1910 census should be findable and should show the names and ages for all of Samuel Prescott Bush's children. They used to go door to door, with index cards, and they would list the whole family's names on the cards.
Samuel Prescott Bush lived in Ohio. You pretty much need to know the county they lived in, or finding the family in the census can be tedious. For someone whose done genealogy work in the archives (if the records haven't been purged or altered, as J. Edgar Hoover's have been) -- this is an achievable project.
What are the names of Prescott Bush Sr.'s siblings?
If the census documents have been altered or purged, we'll know it's something very bad. Also, it's hard to achieve that -- the cards were converted to microfiche during the depression, I think. In Hoover's case, the alterations were made to the documents before they went to microfiche. In Prescott Bush's case, copies of microfiche had already been made.
It's a little difficult to just disappear someone from those old census records, because they also appear on a handwritten list, and you'd have to disappear all the families on the block, and that would create lots of questions when those families do their genealogy searches.
Bev Harris

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 04:26 AM (ET)
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46. (Why were J. Edgar Hoover's records altered?)

off-topic, but in case you're wondering --
This Martin-Luther-King-stalking racist appears to have been an octaroon.
one-eighth black.
Bev

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lfairban (1213 posts)
May-16-03, 04:55 AM (ET)
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47. This might be what you are looking for.

Or at least the answer to your imediate question.
Samuel Prescott Bush
* Birth: 4 Oct 1863, Brick Church, NJ
* Married: 20 Jun 1894, Columbus, OH
* Death: 8 Feb 1948, Columbus, OH
http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/USPresidents/4008.htm
Samuel Prescott BUSH 1
* Born: 1863
* Marriage: Flora SHELDON 20 Jun 1894 1
* Died: 1948
* Buried: Greenlawn Cemetery, Columbus, Franklin Co., OH, USA
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http://www.ancestrees.com/pedigree/9053.htm
I hope there is an index to the grave sites, Greenlawn is a big place!
Mapquest Link
Re: Samuel Prescott Bush lived in Ohio. You pretty much need to know the county they lived in,
It looks like he lived in Columbus most of that time. I think Prescott did too until sometime after WW I. I got the feeling that he might have left town over the story about his bolo knife. See Tarpley, "High Military Honors Conferred on Capt. Bush" (about 2/5ths of the way down the page):
http://www.tarpley.net/bush1.htm
So the County name you are looking for is Franklin Co. (I live there now) You may find these resources helpful:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maggieoh/mresearch.html

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 08:34 AM (ET)
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48. Thanks - now was he REALLY an only child?

Thanks for snagging the county they lived in and the birth, death dates. Now we also know (from gravestone photo) that Prescott's mom was alive throughout her childbearing years.
This is one of those leads that quickly becomes nothing or else yields something really good.
Why does it matter whether Prescott had brothers and sisters? IF he wasn't really an only child, someone took pains to lie about it. If they did that, it's to protect certain names from scrutiny. If Prescott was accused of a Nazi connection, were there others?
Bev

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seemslikeadream (1381 posts)
May-16-03, 11:09 AM (ET)
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57. Bechtel

Bev you mention Bechtel as an example. Might there be a reason for this. In another thread awhile back there was talk of Secret Government and where it was. Well I believe you all were thinking way too small. Don't you think this is a strange bit of info
The airport was built in 1995 on 34,000 acres (53 square miles; 137.593 Sq.km) in spite of the fact that Denver already had what everyone said was a perfectly fine airport - Stapleton - which was ordered closed when DIA was built so there "wouldn't be any competition". In fact the new airport has less gates and less runways than Stapleton did ( I hope you're saying, "That makes no sense"...) All it does have is a lot more acreage. More acreage than an airport that size could possibily need.
The initial cost of the New Beast was to be 1.7 billion dollars(with a "B") but by the time they were done playing games, haveing problems, getting bailed out and got extra government money ( and money from private corporations on top of that), it cost about $4.8 billion
There is alot of really weird stupid stuff said about DIA but
let's stick to to the facts
$4.8 Billion for an airport? I don't know, is that alot?
Bechtel built it? They seem to do alot for bush.
and the runways are in the shape of a Swastika but I'm sure that was just a fluke.

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donsu (2167 posts)
May-16-03, 01:53 PM (ET)
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62. here's a link to Denver Airport stuff

http://search.metacrawler.com/texis/search?brand=metacrawler&q=Denver+Airport+Murals&redirect=&top=1&method=2&rpp=20&hpe=10&region=0&timeout=0&sort=0&theme=classic

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seemslikeadream (1381 posts)
May-16-03, 02:16 PM (ET)
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63. thanks donsu

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our paths have crossed before on this subject. I'm going to read now please keep in touch. If I can refrain from the "dark side" and stay with the facts maybe I'll get somewhere.

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Lorelei (2100 posts)
May-16-03, 01:50 PM (ET)
Reply to post #48

61. This might take a LOT of Time

But it wouldnt hurt to search the wives of Nazi officials, particularly those involved with Manufacturing, Commerce and Armament.
I imagine you MIGHT find something interesting amongst the Saudi royal tribes back in the 30s'.....

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lfairban (1213 posts)
May-17-03, 04:06 PM (ET)
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105. It looks like Samuel Prescott Bush was a Democrat.

President of the Buckeye Steel Castings Company in Columbus from 1906 until his retirement in 1928, Samuel Prescott Bush had served as a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland and the Huntington National Bank of Columbus.
In 1931 he accepted appointment to a special presidential commission for mobilizing and coordinating national, state, and local unemployment relief agencies. A Democrat, he was organizer and first president of the Ohio Manufacturers Association.
link
There may also be interesting information at the Ohio
Historical Society in:
Ohio State Journal
S.P. Bush Collection

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donsu (2167 posts)
May-16-03, 01:47 PM (ET)
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60. Flagler?

I'm wondering: Flagler who built Fls. first railroad and opened both coasts to rail travel and built the bridges and railway to Key West so the ferry could carry them to CUBA....
Didn't he come from Ohio and be in with the oil guys? Wasn't he in oil too?
He was a nasty man. Got rid of one of his wives by saying she was nuts and putting her an asylum in No. Fla.

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lfairban (1213 posts)
May-16-03, 06:40 PM (ET)
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68. Answer to Q1) Margaret Livingston Bush

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*This lends credence to Hortense's records since Margaret Livingston Bush daughter of Flora Sheldon and Samuel Prescott Bush married Stuart H. Clement. Georgia Scott Clement's records were probably family knowledge. She died in Great Falls Montana 26 April 1953.
http://www.sheldonfamily.org/bush.htm
(on edit)
Does this link report five siblings?!
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Robert(?), Prescott(95), Mary(98), Margaret(99) and James (01).
So does this put me in contention for the Grand Prize?

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 06:57 PM (ET)
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70. The link you provided gave all the names!

Robert Bush
Prescott Sheldon Bush
Mary E Bush
Margaret Livingston Bush
James S Bush
This was great, because I just had someone at the archives and even the professional guy there couldn't find a thing on it.
Bev

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lfairban (1213 posts)
May-17-03, 03:33 AM (ET)
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90. I looked for "Stuart H. Clement",

. . . but I havn't found him yet. I found a Stuart H. Clement, Jr. It looks like he went to Yale.
http://www.aya.yale.edu/reunions/classDirectory.asp?classID=61
If you know someone who went to Yale, you can get them to look up alumni. I'll bet most of the male members of the family went there.
It seems Jr. works for an Environmental Consulting Company, American Resource Consultants, Inc.
This post may have come from the Grandson, Stuart H. Clement, III:
http://list.dantz.com/pipermail/retro-talk/2001/000307.html
That is about all I can squeeze out of the internet.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 02:41 PM (ET)
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103. A few more names, genealogy buffs need these

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"I understand that Samuel Howard FAY (OPF # 1912); Joseph Story
FAY Sr. (OPF # 1921) and part of their families lived in Savannah. Harriet Eleanor FAY, daughter of Samuel Howard FAY, married Rev. James Smith Bush, son of Obidiah & Harriet (Smith) Bush. ... Harriet E. FAY and Rev. BUSH had 4 children: James Freeman BUSH, Samuel Prescott BUSH, Harriet Montfort BUSH, and Eleanor Howard BUSH. Samuel Prescott BUSH married Flora SHELDON. They had Prescott Sheldon BUSH (The Pres.'s
ancestor), and Robert Sheldon BUSH (OPF , 1898: 103)
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/FAY/2001-07/0994809570
Now this is a trip:
Check these two entries:
ID: I2455 Name: James Freeman BUSH
Sex: M Birth: 15 JUN 1860 in Orange, New Jersey
Death: UNKNOWN
Father: James Smith BUSH b: 15 JUN 1825 in Rochester, New York
Mother: Harriet Eleanor FAY b: 29 OCT 1829 in Savannah, Georgia
ID: I120218915
Name: James Freeman BUSH
Given Name: James Freeman
Surname: Bush Sex: M
Father: James Smith BUSH b: 15 Jun 1825 in Rochester, NY
Mother: Sarah FREEMAN
James Freeman Bush was from a first relationship (marriage?). What caught my eye is that Freeman was one of the most common names for African Americans -- slaves who achieved freedom by whatever means often gave themselves the last name "freeman"

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 04:27 PM (ET)
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106. Some relatives of Bush go by the last name "Woods"

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Whoever Robert A. Woods was (he seems to have been very politically active) -- He was Prescott's uncle and his kids were Prescott's first cousins.
Book: Robert A. Woods, champion of democracy
by Eleanor Howard Woods Bush
1929
Robert A. Woods, "Americans in Process," 1902 (about immigration)
I saw another entry listing her as Eleanor Howard (Bush) Woods
If Eleanor Howard Bush married the Robert A Wood of Boston, I can well believe their kids, first cousins of Prescott, would be inclined toward Nazism.
"The most important social worker of all, Woods, described the Italian-American professionals as ?parasites?...The Boston social worker Robert A. Woods, in describing this style of politics based on the ward as ?family communism?, was really saying that the new immigrants did not properly understand American democratic methods."
http://www.robertpascoe.net/migration/boston.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0836957199/qid=1053202575/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/103-2926402-9987865
Robert A. Woods was a contemporary of Samuel Bush, and his kids were first cousins and contemporaries of Preston Bush. Line of inquiry: might he have had a daughter, who would be a contemporary of George H.W. who married someone named Johnson? Because look at this:
George W. Bush pioneers: Wall Street investor Robert Woods "Woody" Johnson stayed overnight at the mansion. Johnson, along with Bush's cousin Jonathan Bush, has been the point man for the candidate's Wall Street fund-raising; both are Pioneers.
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=212
Robert Wood Johnson is part of the Johnson & Johnson corporate family.
There is a more recent Robert A. Woods that wrote a book about nation building, circa 1970
Here's a blind alley: March 07, 2003
? Autopsy confirms body is Woods
Autopsy results released Thursday confirm that a body found Tuesday in Hampton Township is Robert A. Woods, the Bay City man who went missing 29 years ago. Edit -- Not related, don't bother.

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leesa (1505 posts)
May-18-03, 04:56 PM (ET)
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117. Remember women also had a lot of miscarriages...

there may well be no siblings because of this

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lfairban (1213 posts)
May-16-03, 04:08 AM (ET)

44. I have been collecting Bush links . . .

http://home.columbus.rr.com/lfairban/Pages/Liberal.htm#Bush
. . . ever since I read Tarpley.
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

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madfloridian (3010 posts)
May-16-03, 10:32 AM (ET)
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56. Thanks for sharing those.

Good way to bring them together. I saved it.

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ArkDem (876 posts)
May-16-03, 09:48 AM (ET)

54. Isn't Bucky the guy that

invented those cancer causing touch screen voting machines?

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DoYouEverWonder (2826 posts)
May-16-03, 04:13 PM (ET)

65. Orlando Bosche attended W's speech in Miami 05/20/02

http://www.wbai.org/artman/publish/printer_40.asp
Terrorists Are On The Run Some Away From Bush, Others Toward His Nurturing Arms
Indeed, he, his brother Jeb, the Florida Governor and his Attorney General John Ashcroft, have made a point of not only harboring, but actually coddling in 1950 Joe McCarthy falsely accused the State Department of "coddling communists" terrorists. On May 20, 2002, Bush specifically invited several famous notorious? terrorists to hear his speech in Miami.
Orlando Bosch at first received an invitation to sit on the platform. Later, when one of his advisers discovered that Bosch had earned the FBI's label of the Western Hemisphere's most dangerous terrorist, the seating arrangement changed and Bosch got dis-invited off the platform and moved into the audience.

Below are a couple of links for everything and anything you ever wanted to know about Orlando Bosch. Orlando was also involved in the Elian Gonzalez fiasco and was his pediatrican. Small world?

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/belligerence/bosch-cv.htm
Orlando Bosch?s terrorist curriculum vitae
Lists every terrorist act that he has every been associated with.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/2001-12-20/feature.html/1/index.html
Terrorists, but Our Terrorists Where can terrorists find safe harbor? If you're of the Cuban exile variety, right here.
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seemslikeadream (1381 posts)
May-16-03, 05:23 PM (ET)

66. Diebold Inc. Vice president Charles Bechtel

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Bev do you know if this Bechtel is related to Riley and Stephen Bechtel. I see that he had some insider transactions on 2002-02-06 of 6,016 shares. and on 2002-01-27 another 2,782.
He owns 18,945 shares, direct

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-16-03, 06:30 PM (ET)
Reply to post #66

67. Whoops -- nice catch. I'll look into Diebold/Bechtel

Bev

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seemslikeadream (1381 posts)
May-16-03, 07:06 PM (ET)
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71. Thanks

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I hope it goes somewhere. I'm just really interested in Bechtel.
Here's an interesting bit
The Exlm(U.S.Export-Import Bank}has long been an easy touch when Bechtel needs financing. Bechtel asked the 65 yeaqr old agency for funding in 1946 when it got the contract to build the Trans-Arabian pipline, laying one of the cornerstones for the Saudia-Arabian oil export boom. Exlm also backed Bechtel's aborted role in the Aqaba pipline in Iraq in the 1980's.
Oh one more thing
During World War 11, Becthel engaged in shipbuilding, Bechtel and one Joen McCone,(who presently works for the Atomic Energy Commission and the CIA) made a killing during those years as they raked in more than $100 million in profits from an initial capital of $400,000.

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Lorelei (2100 posts)
May-16-03, 09:52 PM (ET)

73. Kick for Global First family of crime

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lins the liberal (57 posts)
May-16-03, 10:04 PM (ET)
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74. Samuel Prescott Bush's siblings

I don't think anyone has posted this.
At ancestry.com I found the following:
James Smith Bush b 15 June 1825 Rochester, NY. d 11 Nov 1889
married Harriet Eleanor Fay
Children:
James Freeman, b. 15 June 1860 Orange NJ
Samuel Prescott
Harriet Montford b. 14 Nov 1871 Dansville, NY
Eleanor Howard b. 7 Nov 1873
Looks like the descendents have been scrubbed. No descendents listed except for Samuel Prescott and no marriages listed except for Samuel P. Also found Samuel Prescott's children listed, but again no children or marriage dates for them.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 00:26 AM (ET)
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79. DU researchers are truly without peer.

Okay, I have to confess: I got so curious I stopped by the National Archives today. Couldn't find a damn thing on Samuel Bush or Prescott Bush, but it should be there.
So, I asked at the desk, and two helpful older people were there. One, a woman, got a little testy when I said I wanted to find out about the Bush ancestry in the 1800s. The other, a man, was just itchin' to show me how it's done.
"What's appearing on web genealogy sites," I said, "seems to have both Samuel, born in 1863, as an only child and Prescott, born in 1895, as an only child."
"That's impossible," he scoffed. "Been doing this 17 years."
"Well that's what I thought, but I just can't find them."
"I find everyone," he said confidently. "Been doing this 17 years."
So I followed him around as he showed me microfiche of handwritten censuses, listing every name but...Samuel Bush family is missing. We went forward a decade. Missing again. Looked at the raw ledgers. Missing again. Unphased, he started digging into other databases.
He finally took me "behind the desk" -- to a special computer behind the other lady, who was glowering at us by now. He pulled out a hefty notebook full of computer disks.
"When all else fails," he said with a sly grin, "this has found me many a person." This powerful database, which had some 25 CDs worth of data, could find anyone with a first name and a last name who had been in a census between 1850 and 1880.
"Samuel Bush," he said confidently. "Born?"
""New Jersey," I said, armed with a DUer's research, and gave him the date.
Nada. So we tried it for people born anywhere in the USA named Samuel Bush. No one matched the other criteria.
"Let's do Flora Sheldon," he suggested. Nada.
"Well that's strange," he said, brow beginning to furrow.
"Let's do Florence Sheldon," he then said, with a smug smile. None met the other criteria (age, eventual move to Ohio).
Well, I had to go, but I think there is a kindly old man to this moment hunting through those old records. "I'm gonna look in the county history," he said. "Oh, and the city directories. And -- let me get those death dates -- I'm going to get hold of all the old obituaries from 1948."
"Been doing this for 17 years," he said. "Never been a one I couldn't find."
-----------But by the time I came back to the office, a DUer had found all Prescott's siblings, and by the time I got back from dinner, a DUer had found all of Samuel's siblings.
Bev Harris

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JanMichael (6635 posts)
May-16-03, 10:32 PM (ET)

77. This is an eye opening and sickening thread Bev.

I've read through it and I'm apoplectic right now.
We've been taken over by a crime family that has been at it for generations. I'm just sick.
I knew a few of these points like:
5) Who is Nancy Bush, and what position did her son hold on election night 2000? What did he do while holding this position?
This one still has me baffled, how could it (the story) disappear????
6) What business dealings did Jeb Bush have with the Bosch family? For what crime did one Bush ask another Bush to pardon a Bosch?
Orlando Bosch is a personal favorite of mine because he is, by anyone's definition, a fucking TERRORIST!!!!!!!
7) Easy question of the day: Who is Neil Bush, and what business scandal was he involved in?
The songs at his companies site, that I'm sure Jeb is getting tax dollar to invest in it, are crazy Fundamentalism gone totally wacky! He's a creep too.
And I guessed this one...
9) How many successive generations have faced criminal proceedings, for each of these families:
a. Corleone family
b. Bush family
c. The James Gang
================================
Sum all of this up and keep sending it out.
Great work.

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Narraback (140 posts)
May-17-03, 00:42 AM (ET)

80. Massive Kick

I bow to your efforts!
Thanks,
Narraback

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SoCalDem (20220 posts)
May-17-03, 02:24 AM (ET)

83. Prescott Bush and Eugenics (fits right in with the Nazis)

TONS OF LINKS HERE

a small sampling :

Re: JOB POSTING: Planned Parenthood ...
... Now in 1950, people who knew something about Prescott Bush knew that
he had very unsavory roots in the eugenics movement. There ...
https://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/van-discuss/ 2002-November/000095.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages

A Pledge Betrayed
... national and international racial hygienic mission. Prescott Bush shared
Draper?s view on eugenics. In fact, late in Prescott?s ...
www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/betraylp9.htm - 25k - Cached - Similar pages

A Pledge Betrayed
... of the sordid association of Prescott Bush with the ... In his first run for senator,
Prescott was defeated after his position within the eugenics movement was ...
www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushies.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

New Statesman: Thumbs up for the bright, white folks: Eugenics ...
... Tribune reported that the Union Banking Corporation, of which Prescott Bush was a ... Laughlin's
influence on the American eugenics saga did not end there: in 1937 ...
www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0FQP/4583_131/ 85007831/p2/article.jhtml?term= - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

The Bush Gang
... Bush wealth and prominence in American politics is derived from Prescott Bush and
George ... Not only has the eugenics agenda continued but many of the top Nazis ...
www.citypaper.net/articles/011801/sl.slant.shtml - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Bush, Abortion and Racial Eugenics: The Real Story - David Icke E ...
... In it he praises Draper and John D. Rockefeller 3rd, the world's leading proponents
of eugenics and describes how his father, Prescott Bush - who made his ...
www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol21/ news/lederman-21-1.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

Vast WASP Conspiracy
... associates of Bush....For his part in the Hitler revolution, Prescott Bush was paid
a ... 1990s - President Bush advocates eugenics research: "Although ...
www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0007/conventions/wasp.cfm - 18k - Cached - Similar pages

NewsFlash! George Bush -- One of America's Biggest Traitors
... Prescott Bush became the US SENATOR representing Brown Bros., Harriman
and played golf with Ike. ... 4. The American Eugenics Society. ...
www.freeworldalliance.com/newsflash/ pre_2002/newsflash158.htm - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

GW Bush and the Bi-partisanism Hustle
... The Harriman fortune (they were partners with Prescott Bush on Wall Street) financed
the American Eugenics movement starting in Cold Springs Harbor NY, which ...
www.baltech.org/lederman/hustle-12-15-00.html - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

Tales from the Grassy Knoll
... and Prescott Bush. The following year was a benchmark time for Americans and the
fledgling NAZI movement. The Third International Congress on Eugenics was held ...
www.tabletnewspaper.com/old%20tablet/ vol1iss1/grassy11.htm - 9k - Cached - Similar pages

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Zan_of_Texas (177 posts)
May-17-03, 02:51 AM (ET)

84. Marvin, Winston Partners, Sybase, etc.

Hi Bev! You don't just want a tiger by the tail, you want the whole zoo!
Margie Burns has done some nice research on the whole Marvin/Dulles/Stratasec stuff. Here's one sample.
Published on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 by the Prince George's Journal <http://www.jrnl.com/cfdocs/new/pg/>; (Maryland)
Bush Family Dipping Into Security Pie
by Margie Burns
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1127-07.htm
The full effects of the 2001 so-called ``USA Patriot Act'' have not yet been felt, fortunately. But one of its first effects has been to benefit the president's brother, Marvin.
Marvin P. Bush, one of George W. Bush's three younger brothers, is co-founder and partner in Winston Partners, a private investment firm in Alexandria, Va. Winston Partners in turn is part of a larger venture capital entity called the Chatterjee Group, headed by venture capitalist Purnendu Chatterjee. (Venture capital firms provide money to start-up businesses and other companies, usually in return for equity and some managerial say in the company.)
Through this and other business relationships, this Bush sibling is positioned to do very well in high-tech activities as a result of provisions of the Patriot Act.
Securities and Exchange Commission filings show that the Chatterjee Group consists of Winston Partners, L.P.; and a half-dozen other entities with addresses in the Cayman Islands, the Netherlands Antilles, the Isle of Man and Delaware.
Bush's partner is Scott Andrews, with whom he went to school. Winston Partners has two branches, hedge funds and private equity funds, engaged in a variety of investments, including global ``outsourcing'' and offshore information technology.
H.R. 3162, called ``The Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act'' (or USA Patriot), was designed to prevent money laundering and requires banks to ``know their customers.''

Inevitably, many companies are aggressively marketing services to make businesses ``Patriot Act''-compliant: that is, they sell computer systems to enable banks to argue successfully to Uncle Sam that they're not laundering money for terrorists. One of the most aggressive is Sybase Inc., which developed a ``Sybase PATRIOT compliance Solution'' months ago. Sybase, which said it wanted foreign banks as customers (it already had a deal with the People's Bank of China), landed Sumitomo Mitsui Bank in time for the October 2002 compliance deadline.
This is where Winston Partners comes in. <snip>

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Zan_of_Texas (177 posts)
May-17-03, 03:00 AM (ET)
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85. Bucky Bush and defense contracts

(Oddly enough, the initials of this defense contractor connected to a Bush uncle match the initials of a voting machine company. Just interesting.)
Published on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 by the Prince George's Journal <http://www.jrnl.com/>; (Maryland) (must be a subscriber)
The Bush "Warbucks' Family Cashes In
by Margie Burns
William H.T. (``Bucky") Bush, an uncle of George W. Bush, is on the Board of Directors of a company which will benefit substantially from war with Iraq, according to financial analysts.
The company, Engineered Support Systems, is based in St. Louis. William H.T. Bush was also a major Bush donor and campaign fund-raiser. Astute business articles have boosted the company's stock this fall. As Russ Mitchell, writing in Smart Money, put it: ``War may not be healthy for children and other living things (not in the short run, anyway), but it's healthy for military stocks, right? ``
It depends on what you mean by health. Consider Engineered Support Systems, which makes biological and chemical filtering and decontamination equipment, among other things. ``Hundreds of stocks bombed to record lows, but Engineered Support was one of few to fly the other way, hitting a record high of $61.25 on Sept. 16. ``The closer the U.S. gets to war in Iraq, the better things look for the St. Louis, Mo., company. Its specialty is military logistics and support; it makes stuff that helps the services get supplies from here to there in a hurry.
"No doubt, investors are especially excited by the company's chemical and biological decontamination and filtration systems." Kiplinger Newsletter concurs: ``If the election results and the President's sentiment toward Iraq are any indication, the federal coffers will open wide when it comes to military spending. In all likelihood, spending on defense equipment and troops will get a boost, and that's good news for Engineered Support Systems."
Engineered Support is actually a holding company for six subsidiaries that supply the U.S. military with everything from tanks and decontamination equipment to plastic faucets built to regulation." And in its Sept. 16, 2002, edition, CNN/Money Magazine calls Engineered Support Systems one of ``seven defense stocks that fund managers like." A fund manager names it one of two companies that ``would gain the most from a war from Iraq." The $283 million company has three segments: Light Military Support Equipment, Heavy Military Support Equipment and Electronics and Automation Systems. Long-term contracts are ``substantially all" with the U.S. government, according to the company. <snip>

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 03:04 AM (ET)
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86. Now THAT is an impressive catch.

Sometimes info like this just twings a whole bunch of things. What you just submitted is not just a news article, but taken in connection with events and other corporate and family endeavors, it provides several new leads.
Thanks to Zan of Texas!
Bev

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Cheswick (7945 posts)
May-17-03, 08:53 PM (ET)
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109. Poppy Warbucks

George One should be refered to as Poppy Warbucks and his son as Dubya Warbucks. From now on they are the warbucks family.

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Zan_of_Texas (177 posts)
May-17-03, 03:08 AM (ET)
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89. Four Brothers

Influence and bailouts a business tradition in Bush family

http://www.sptimes.com/News/102900/Business/Influence_and_bailout.shtml
By ROBERT TRIGAUX
? St. Petersburg Times
October 29, 2000
Once upon a time, a rich and powerful father gathered his four young sons and urged them to become rich and powerful, too. Take risks. Push yourselves. Influence others, he ordered in a bold voice. Then he whispered, "And if you muck things up, a fairy godfather will always appear to make things better." Those may not have been the precise words spoken, but this is no tall tale.
It's the business model adopted long ago by George and Barbara Bush to propel sons George W., Jeb, Marvin and Neil into the high ranks of industry and, at least for two boys, politics. Sure, by now in the presidential campaign Dubya's dubious business transactions have been poked at repeatedly by the media. No question, Jeb's numerous and often questionable business dealings have been scoured more than once. Little has been written about Marvin, an investment adviser. Neil, the youngest, took some serious legal heat in the 1980s for his role in the demise of a Denver savings and loan. But he has since retreated to the Bush home turf of Houston and largely disappeared from the national spotlight.
Altogether, the Bush boys' business deals have received scant attention. What's intriguing is that, time and again, all four brothers have chosen to use a remarkably similar two-step business model.
STEP 1: Leverage the Bush family name and a small personal investment into really big money, always provided by others. STEP 2: If any deal goes sour, exit early with personal fortune intact. Or rely on a bailout from one of Dad's fairy godfathers: some of the thousands of wealthy Republican fundraisers and longtime supporters of former President Bush.
<snip>{Marvin, Dubya, Neil, Jeb profiled}

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donsu (2167 posts)
May-17-03, 01:58 PM (ET)
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98. reading about Chatterjee made me think of

all the work now going to India (credit card/phone??) instead of US workers.

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SoCalDem (20220 posts)
May-17-03, 03:06 AM (ET)

87. Pic of Prescott & Hitler??...maybe..

http://www.hermes-press.com/profiteering.htm

Image Image

Other Revelations in George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography
Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the U.S. government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Prescott Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corporation stock shares, all of which were owned by E. Roland Harriman, Prescott Bush, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Prescott Bush.
President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the Thyssen family of Germany and/or Hungary, nationals of a designated enemy country.
This act by the U.S. government made it clear that Prescott Bush and the other directors of the Union Banking Corp. were in essence front men for the Nazis. By keeping news of this seizure quiet, the American government avoided the more important issue: in what way were Hitler and his Nazi cohorts set up, armed, and supported by the New York and London cartel of which Prescott Bush was an executive manager?
On Oct. 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.
Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on November 17, 1942. In this action, the government announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests, leaving the Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business.
These were actions taken by the U.S. government during wartime, but Prescott Bush and his collaborators had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany. Harriman, Bush and the others in the cabal had financed the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S.A. They had also helped in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with the slave labor and extermination camps as the result.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 03:07 AM (ET)

88. And as for press blasts with this eye opening and sickening thread:

Need ideas at http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID70/4810.html
It's no fun, consider it kitchen duty, but occasionally we have to wash the dishes.
Bev

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preciousdove (104 posts)
May-17-03, 05:19 AM (ET)

91. 3 Census Citations

James S. Bush, 1860 U.S. Population Schedule, Essex County, New Jersey, Orange, 1st Ward, sheet 322, dwelling 50, family 52, Micropublication M653, Reel 690, National Archives, Washington, DC (hereafter cited as James S. Bush, 1860 Census, New Jersey).
. George H. Walker, 1900 U.S. Population Schedule, St. Louis County, Missouri, St. Louis, Ward 25, Enumeration District 379, Supervisor's District 11, sheet 5A, dwelling 161, family 171, Micropublication T623, Reel 899, National Archives, Washington, DC (hereafter cited as George H. Walker, 1900 Census Missouri).
Samuel Bush, 1920 U.S. Population Schedule, Franklin County, Ohio, Marble Cliff Village, Franklin Township, Enumeration District 7, Supervisor's District 12, sheet 27B, dwelling 627, family 647, Micropublication T625, Reel 1379, National Archives, Washington, DC (hereafter cited as Samuel Bush, 1920 Census - Ohio

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BeachBuckeye (906 posts)
May-17-03, 09:07 AM (ET)

92. For the Guy James show: I wonder if anyone has the time

to compile this information into a handy digest that could be used as a reference on-air for debates with repubs? They HATE to be confronted with this kind of material but I just do not have the time to put it all together in a cogent manner. Anyone?
You'll get special mention on the Guy James Show
http://www.theguyjamesshow.com/
Thanks,
Guy

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ithacan (1538 posts)
May-17-03, 10:11 AM (ET)
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94. this thread rocks!

amazing info!

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 12:35 PM (ET)
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97. Don't hold your breath, many irons in the fire but...

When I press blast this, because of it's complexity, I'll put it onto a web page with links to the sources. I hope someone compiles something sooner than that, but at any rate I'll post that as soon as it's ready.
Great job, Guy

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grasswire (4600 posts)
May-17-03, 02:05 PM (ET)
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99. important correction

Bosch was not pardoned, he was paroled. I know for a fact because I obtained a list of those pardoned by Papa Bush while researching this, and Bosch's name is NOT on the list.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 02:11 PM (ET)
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100. You are right, I meant paroled. They both start with "p-a-r-"

I meant to correct that.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-17-03, 02:17 PM (ET)

101. Answer to # 9, since no one got it:

LAST EDITED ON May-17-03 AT 02:19 PM (ET)
9) How many successive generations have faced criminal proceedings, for each of these families:
a. Corleone family
b. Bush family
c. The James Gang
Answer:
Corleone family: two successive generations. Three were involved in crime, but the first Godfather (played by Marlon Brando) never had criminal proceedings brought against him for anything. The two generations were: Michael Corleone and later, Sonny Corleone's son. This according to my husband, who owns all three movies and watched them a whole bunch of times.
Bush family: four successive generations, beginning with Prescott and continuing to Noelle.
The James Gang: one generation. Here is a link on the James Gang. ttp://www.linecamp.com/museums/americanwest/western_clubs/james_gang/james_gang.html
Bev

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Sophree (1346 posts)
May-17-03, 02:31 PM (ET)
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102. A generational picture?

Maybe one of the artists here (symbolman, joefree, mopaul) could put together a picture or a flash animated 4 generation photo album of crime? You know, like some families have a generational picture of Great-grandma, g-ma, mom and daughter?
I'm thinking, include arrest photos, put them in stripes or behind bars, etc.
Just an idea.

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Blecht (539 posts)
May-17-03, 08:34 PM (ET)

108. Bump to page 1

bump

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preciousdove (104 posts)
May-18-03, 05:01 AM (ET)

110. Wow they are busy scrubbing!

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I have been checking out my usual genealogy haunts and llke you coming up with very little considering. Right now I went to geneanet.com and the two databases that had the Bush info have been pulled in the last couple days. There is quite a bit on mytrees.com but when I tried to get my free hour of extraction time there was none available, first time ever. I checked the LDS site for the 1880 census using names, nicknames, middlenames and initials and only foun James F who was working away from home. I don't have an ancestry subscription but it appears the family was picked up on their indexes. I'll keep thinking and if I come up with anything else I will let you know
1. James Smith Bush b. 15 Jun 1825, Rochester, NY, Occup: Reverend, m. 24 Feb 1859, in Trinity Church, New York, New York, New, Harriet Eleanor Fay, b. 29 Oct 1829, Savannah, GA, d. 27 Feb 1921, Boston, MA. James died 11 Nov 1889, Ithaca, Tompkins Co, N.Y. James S. Bush, 1860 U.S. Population Schedule, Essex County, New Jersey, Orange, 1st Ward, sheet 322, dwelling 50, family 52, Micropublication M653, Reel 690, National Archives, Washington, DC (
Harriet:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fayfamily/orlin103.html
Children:
2. i James Freeman Bush b. 15 Jun 1860, Orange, NJ, Occup: Supt of Farm. 1880 Census Fishers Island, Suffolk, NY p 509C Mother b GA father b NY
+ 3. ii Samuel Prescott Bush b. 4 Oct 1863.
4. iii Harriet Montford Bush b. 14 Nov 1871, Dansville, NY.
5. iv Eleanor Howard Bush b. 07 Nov 1873, West New Brighton, SI, NY, m. Robert A Wood.
Eleanor Location: of Boston, MA.
Second Generation
3. Samuel Prescott Bush (1.James1) b. 4 Oct 1863, Brick Church, NJ, m. 27 Jun 1894, in Columbus, OH, Flora Sheldon, b. 17 May 1872, Franklin Co., Ohio, d. 04 Sep 1920, Watch Hill", R.I. Samuel died 8 Feb 1948, Columbus, Franklin Co, OH, Buried: Greenlawn Cemetery, Columbus, Franklin C. Samuel Bush, 1920 U.S. Population Schedule, Franklin County, Ohio, Marble Cliff Village, Franklin Township, Enumeration District 7, Supervisor's District 12, sheet 27B, dwelling 627, family 647, Micropublication T625, Reel 1379, National Archives, Washington, DC
Children:
+ 6. i Prescott Sheldon Bush Sr b. 15 May 1895.
7. ii Robert Sheldon Bush b. 20 Nov 1896, Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co, WI.
8. iii Mary E Bush b. 20 Dec 1896, ???.
9. iv Margaret Livingston Bush b. 19 Jul 1899, St Louis, MO,
040-38-5648, m. Stuart H Clement, b. 03 Apr 1895, d. Apr 1974, New Haven, CT. Margaret died 29 May 1993, Hamden, New Haven, CT. Ward 25,
10. v James Sheldon Bush b. 03 Apr 1901, WI.
Third Generation
6. Prescott Sheldon Bush Sr (3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 15 May 1895,
Columbus, OH, m. 6 Sep 1921, in Kennebunkport, York, Maine, Dorothy Walker, b. 1 Jul 1901, Walker's Point, York Co., Maine, d. 19 Nov 1992, Greenwich, Conn, Buried: 23 Nov 1992, Greenwich, Fairfield, Connecticut. Prescott died 08 Oct 1972, NYC, NY, Buried: Putnam Cemetery, Greenwich, Conn.
Children:
+ 11. i Prescott Sheldon Bush Jr b. 19 Aug 1922.
+ 12. ii George Herbert Walker Bush b. 12 Jun 1924.
+ 13. iii Nancy Bush b. 04 Feb 1926.
+ 14. iv William Henry Trotter "Buck" Bush b. 14 Jul 1938.
+ 15. v Jonathan James Bush b. 1931.
Fourth Generation
11. Prescott Sheldon Bush Jr (6.Prescott3, 3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 19 Aug 1922, Occup: Prescott Bush Resources L, m. Elizabeth Louise Draper Kauffman. Prescott Location: of Greenwich, CT.
Children:
16. i Kelsey Bush.
17. ii James L Bush.
12. George Herbert Walker Bush (6.Prescott3, 3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 12 Jun 1924, Milton, MA, m. 6 Jan 1945, Barbara Pierce, b. 08 Jun 1945, Rye, NY. George H. Walker, 1900 U.S. Population Schedule, St. Louis County, Missouri, St. Louis, Ward 25, Enumeration District 379, Supervisor's District 11, sheet 5A, dwelling 161, family 171, Micropublication T623, Reel 899, National Archives, Washington, DC

Children:
+ 18. i George Walker Bush b. 6 July 1946.
19. ii Pauline Robinson "Robin" Bush b. 20 DEC 1949, Midland, TX, d. 11 OCT 1953, NY, NY. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6056
+ 20. iii John Ellis "Jeb" Bush b. 11 Feb 1953.
+ 21. iv Neil Mallon Bush b. 22 January 1955.
+ 22. v Marvin Pierce Bush b. 22 October 1956.
23. vi Dorothy Pierce Bush b. 19 Aug 1959, 4 children, Occup:
Homemaker, m. (1) divorced, William " Billy" Lablond, m. (2) 27 Jun, 1992, in Camp David, MD, Robert P Koch. Dorothy Location: of Bethesda, MD.
13. Nancy Bush (6.Prescott3, 3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 04 Feb 1926, m. Alexander "Sandy" Ellis Jr. Nancy Location: of Boston, MA.
Children:
24. i Nancy Ellis.
25. ii Alexander Ellis III.
26. iii John P Ellis.
27. iv Josiah Wear Ellis.
14. William Henry Trotter "Buck" Bush (6.Prescott3, 3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 14 Jul 1938, Occup: Chair Bush-O'Donnell Co, m. Patricia Lee Redfern. William Location: of St Louis, MO.
Children:
28. i William Prescott Bush.
29. ii Louisa Bush.
15. Jonathan James Bush (6.Prescott3, 3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 1931, ?, Occup: CEO Riggs Ivestment Mgmt, m. Josephine (Jody) Bradley. Jonathan Location: of Killingsworth, CT.
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/specials/0009/democracy/bush.popups/family.tree/john.html
Children:
30. i Jonathon James Bush JR.
31. ii William Hall Bush.
Fifth Generation
18. George Walker Bush (12.George4, 6.Prescott3, 3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 6 July 1946, New Haven, CT, m. 6 NOV 1977, in Midland, TX, Laura Welch, b. 04 Nov 1946, Midland, TX.
Children:
32. i Barbara Pierce Bush b. 25 Nov 1981, Dallas, TX, Location: of Yale U.
33. ii Jenna Welch Bush b. 25 Nov 1981, Dallas, TX, Location: of Austin, TX.
20. John Ellis "Jeb" Bush (12.George4, 6.Prescott3, 3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 11 Feb 1953, m. 23 Feb 1974, Columbia Garnica Gallo, b. 1953, Leon, Guanajato, Mexico, Catholic.
Children:
34. i George Bush b. 1976.
35. ii Jeb Bush b. 1984.
36. iii Noelle Bush b. 1978.
21. Neil Mallon Bush (12.George4, 6.Prescott3, 3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 22 January 1955, Midland, TX, m. Sharon Smith. Neil Location: of Houston, TX.
Children:
37. i Lauren Bush b. 1987.
38. ii Pierce Bush b. 1989.
39. iii Ashley Bush b. 1991.
22. Marvin Pierce Bush (12.George4, 6.Prescott3, 3.Samuel2, 1.James1) b. 22 October 1956, m. 1981, Margaret Molster. Marvin Location: of Alexandria, VA.
Children:
40. i Marshall Bush.
41. ii Walker Bush.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-18-03, 12:26 PM (ET)
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111. You've done a fantastic job. Yes, why would they scrub?

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It is the children and their spouses of the group below that I think may yield the most interesting finds:
+ 6. i Prescott Sheldon Bush Sr b. 15 May 1895.
7. ii Robert Sheldon Bush b. 20 Nov 1896, Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co, WI.
8. iii Mary E Bush b. 20 Dec 1896, ???.
9. iv Margaret Livingston Bush b. 19 Jul 1899, St Louis, MO,
040-38-5648, m. Stuart H Clement, b. 03 Apr 1895, d. Apr 1974, New Haven, CT. Margaret died 29 May 1993, Hamden, New Haven, CT. Ward 25,
10. v James Sheldon Bush b. 03 Apr 1901, WI.
All of the children of the people above are first cousins to a president. What companies do they run? What last names did the daughters marry into? If they average 3 children each for the five I have in bold, that is 15 families we know nothing about, all FIRST COUSINS to Bush '41.
Bev

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madfloridian (3010 posts)
May-18-03, 12:54 PM (ET)
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112. Stuart H. Clement, found this pdf file.

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/dshw/lrm/permits/delaware.pdf
Not sure of any more. Just found that.
Can't be the one you mention, because this was 1999.

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lfairban (1213 posts)
May-18-03, 02:14 PM (ET)
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113. I think that is Stuart H. Clement, Jr.

See post #90.
He graduated from Yale, class of 43. That still makes him about 80 at the time.

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berry (617 posts)
May-18-03, 04:20 PM (ET)
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115. There's also a Stuart H. Clement III

I read this above.

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berry (617 posts)
May-18-03, 04:40 PM (ET)
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116. I think the proof that these families DO keep in touch

is the crossovers of middle names (which are almost all family names).
I wonder if the H. of Stuart H. Clement is Hall? Interesting that Jonathan James Bush (GHWB's brother) has a son named William Hall Bush. Hall is a family name in the Woods family. Robt. Archey Woods (m. Eleanor Howard Bush)'s mother was Mary A. Hall (other names on her side: Leach and Keith). At the very least, it explains how they met.
Also we need to check if there are other connections to the Bliss family (which is definitely linked to Woods). These are VERY political families. Eg., Chester Bowles's middle name is Bliss.
Still, the scandals, if we are to find them, is probably in less public business--banking, etc.

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loudsue (2081 posts)
May-18-03, 03:22 PM (ET)

114. Is this the most MASSIVE mob in world history??

I do know that it's the most DANGEROUS mob in world history, just for the simple reason that the biggest maniacal killer of them all has his finger on the button that could destroy the whole world....even the innocent bushmen of Australia to the Indians of S. America & Sumatra.
Never before in history, I'm sure, could one person kill the whole planet with no recourse of the people.
Bush is SO well supported and protected, insulated if you will, from any form of take-down. Hell, they control the entire network of all the world's wealth and stealth! If Bill Gates gets uppity, he's toast! They don't hesitate to kill...even their OWN supporters. And I believe they do so just for sport, like any good mafia, as a show of power.
Poppy Bush should have been FRIED for all that he did...the whole Iran Contra affair, and its far-reaching tentacles. But NOOOOOO! They just get more of their own ELECTED, for chrissakes! Unfrigging believable!!
Just something I found .....I don't know, I guess "coincidental" .... is how close the name "Bosch" is to the name "Bush"...just a more German twist to it. Since this family seems to be all over the map, I wonder if it's just coincidence, or if Bosch could be one of the "missing links" of the family tree, who wanted to get back into the fold & operate from another branch.
Hell. After reading all of this, I'm sick. This great country has been raped, pillaged and plundered by this family.
I have no doubt their thugs are aware of the research that goes on at DU, and could even be responsible for having some of those geneological web sites scrubbed.
To the BFEE, "we the people" are no bigger than ants. "Eugenics" wasn't something my family could even probably pronounce! But if George W. Bush is genetically and ancestrally engineered to be the poster boy for the "master race", there is no God.
Great thread, Bev. You are awesome!! Thanks for getting all this going, and to all you INCREDIBLE DUers who are soooooo smart and talented!
I am continually awed by this remarkable forum. If DU doesn't someday appear in history books, I'll be greatly suprised.

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PartyPooper (1390 posts)
May-18-03, 05:55 PM (ET)
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119. Well, if you care to delve back over several hundred years

You will find some equally ghastly historical figures-who are all ancestors of this evil and despicable family. Of course, not all were bad. But, plenty were.
Remember, England's Edward I (1272-1307)? If you saw "Braveheart", you'll recall that he was the tyrannical king who terrorized and brutalized the Scots. He was also known as "Edward Longshanks". Sound familiar?
Regretably, I'm convinced that these awful "family traits" are simply genetically predisposed.
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/bushblood.html

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-19-03, 04:19 PM (ET)
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120. I'm most interested in THIS

Cousins of George Bush Senior -- for reasons of determining whether they hold equity in things like Northrup Grummon, Carlyle, Halliburton, Brown & Root, voting machine companies, etc.
Cousins of George W. Bush for same reason.
To get the names of the cousins, though, you have to use genealogy search methods.
Bev

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DoYouEverWonder (2826 posts)
May-18-03, 05:39 PM (ET)

118. Searching Bosch Bush family

Brings up some interesting results. Turns out that some Boschs came over in the 1600's from Holland. Later some of them changed their name to Bush. I don't know enough about W's geneology to know if these relate but it seems just from scanning that there are some names that appear in both.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycortla/bush2.htm

1-Hendrick Albertus Bosch Jr.(ter BUSH) a sword cutter, appears to be the origin of this family. He came to America in 1659 or 1661 with his two sons and second wife on the ship DE TROUW "FAITH" which left Leydon, Holland. His house was located on the north side of Pearl Street in New Amsterdam in 1665. His son Albert was granted a lot on November 19th 1863, opposite his father's, next east of Fraunces Tavern. All were members of the Dutch Reformed Church and all children were baptized there.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bush/id2.htm

AN WOUTERSEN VAN DEN BOSCH was our original Dutch "Bush" ancestor that emigrated from Ravesteyn, Netherlands in 1659 on the ship De Trouw (The Faith). In April of 1665 he was listed as a Burgher and an inhabitant of New Amsterdam (New York). He owned salt meadows in Flatbush in the year 1667 and he took the Oath of Allegiance on September 26, 1687. Jan Woutersen Van Den Bosch and his wife Annetje Arents had a son named HENDRICK JANSEN VAN DEN BOSCH who is our direct ancestor.

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BevHarris (3072 posts)
May-19-03, 04:21 PM (ET)

121. kick

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lfairban (1213 posts)
May-20-03, 10:16 PM (ET)

122. S. P. Bush on social responsibility of businesses.

"Labor will never be reasonably contented without a living wage that is economic; that is a wage that will permit of existence and some reasonable advance in civilization," S.P. Bush, Buckeye's president, wrote his company's directors in 1918. "Everyone in a community," he continued, "must have decent living conditions as well as facilities for education and recreation, and these the average industrial community has not supplied."
See THE QUEST FOR COMMUNITY at the bottom of the page
Did I mention he was a Democrat? This is W's great-grandfather.
Check out my collection of New Links

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